Adobe engages Apple in passive aggressive warfare with iPhone's Flash message
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Mark Doherty @ Nov 2nd 2009 3:23PM
It has been up for a while now, since early October in fact. We have it there so as to ensure that Apple customers know why they don't have a more complete Internet experience.
http://www.flashmobileblog.com/2009/10/13/our-new-iphone-page-at-adobe-com/
Mark
Adobe
gomobile @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:02PM
Good for you. Nothing like a swift kick in the pants.
Doax @ Nov 2nd 2009 6:08PM
Sweet, about time a tech company got the guts to tell Apple they are a bunch of dictators.
Hey Mark could you let me know when Android will natively support PDF? I'm trying to use my G1 as my work phone and this is frustrating.
Mark @ Nov 2nd 2009 7:04PM
You should be able to get RepliGo Reader, that's what I use.
Mark
remydrh1 @ Nov 2nd 2009 3:27PM
*snicker* After reading the responses elsewhere, everyone seems to come back to how well designed and pretty Macs are. . .but you cannot escape the basic fact that overall Apple uses some pretty draconian policies. If I want something that "simply works" then my choice is apparently not a Mac. I work in high-end CG applications. Most of which work much better on other platforms because of such restrictions Apple has placed on software. I have fewer choices for extensions and plug-ins on a Mac and even fewer options for 64-bit software in a field where it's a necessity to access large databases. This isn't a problem with developers. . .it's a problem that's illustrated right here.
Until the situation changes I will choose the least expensive box of cornflakes. Not the cornflakes in the pretty box.
I'm a Mac and PC @ Nov 2nd 2009 3:43PM
But everybody knows what the kids play with after they open their presents...the box.
carcomptoy @ Nov 2nd 2009 3:57PM
HA that's so great! Now those fanboys can get a dose of reality...
ari-free @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:02PM
Well, I guess there's always silverlight :)
Seriously, that one little post may do more damage to iphone's core base than all the Droid ads.
Dave Diamond @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:06PM
you say "passive aggressive" as if Adobe has done something wrong. why shouldn't users know the truth?
Rob @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:09PM
Wait, am I missing something? What phones HAVE flash???? Adobe keeps promising mobile flash with the next release but its not here anyway. Why pick on apple when you didnt write the code for the other phones out there yet? (No, I dont own an Iphone, nor do I want one)
Jason Scanlon @ Nov 2nd 2009 5:09PM
"Over 800 million devices shipped with Flash
400+ device models equipped with Flash"
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/
as of September OF LAST YEAR
Phil Schiller's Ghost @ Nov 2nd 2009 6:11PM
Any claims that 800 million devices shipped with Flash need to be asterisked with the note that a major percentage of those were Flash Lite, which is not the full Flash "experience."
Adobe has a list here:
http://www.adobe.com/mobile/pdfs/flash_lite_forecast_installed_base_jan09.pdf
Proprietary implementations suck on both sides.
Mark Doherty @ Nov 2nd 2009 6:59PM
Hi,
Our public number is now 1.2Billion devices shipped, including just under 40% of all new devices in 2008 (Strategy Analytics).
Flash Player 10.1 will go to public beta later in the year, in fact some pre-release users already have it :-)
Mark
Po Panda @ Nov 2nd 2009 7:40PM
My phone has flash built in. It's a Nokia 5730 XpressMusic. Sybmian OS 9.4 FP2. I haven't jumped ship just yet from Nokia because of that very fact. Adobe Flash Player is a MUST have 'feature' whether Apple, Sammy, HTC or other Android phone maker want to admit. HTC is getting there though. They might make my next phone an Android with Flash and I will be sold (Flash built-in, not this after-market 3rd party stuff).
Douglas @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:13PM
Lol, I love it. See, Adobe knows that the power lies in the people themselves. But Apple must seriously not give a rats ass if it's iPhone can show flash content. And why would it? It's not like people are lining up against them saying we're not going to buy your product until you bring Flash on board. I hope Apple doesn't do anything. I really enjoy when my friends can't see a website, and they ask me to look it up. Need a phone that shows flash content? I've got an N97 for that.
psycros @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:16PM
There's Flash Lite for many phones, plus some newer mobile browsers have at least partial Flash support. I'm not sure how many of them are free, though.
Mark @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:26PM
I'm guessing Adobe got tired of people bombarding them with requests for Flash on the iPhone and decided to inform those customers who the real "bad guy" in the situation is.
Rob, there are quite a few phones with flash. Windows Mobile, some iterations of Android support it.
EJ @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:59PM
Problem is ... Apple doesn't give 2 chits whether it's the right thing to do or if the majority of there customer base wants it (referring to anything, not just Flash), they do whatever the hell they want to do!
ari-free @ Nov 2nd 2009 4:44PM
Apple has a big problem with flash. But it has no problem with all the thousands of fart apps and other crap in their app store. You can't say that this is about maintaining a high quality experience for the iphone.
Paul @ Nov 2nd 2009 5:04PM
I couldn't agree more with you.
How can a web enabled phone claim access to the internet and block or not allow "FLASH" to work on it.
Flash is and has always been am integral part of the internet. Blocking it should be a call to iPhone users to
move to a better equipped phone for the internet say "ANDROID" or ask "WHY?"
Phil Schiller's Ghost @ Nov 2nd 2009 6:13PM
"Flash is and has always been am [sic] integral part of the internet."
No. Flash is not a standard. And neither is SilverLight.
TheBigKlosowski @ Nov 2nd 2009 5:00PM
I'm wondering if it wouldn't kill the entire mobile browsing experience until all those Snapdragon processors get out into the wild. As it is now, Flash makes my iMac run slow, and my 3GS is already slow enough loading a web page. I'd love to have it when I really needed it, but I'd sure like to turn it off too.
Mike @ Nov 2nd 2009 6:58PM
@ Phil Schiller's Ghost
"No. Flash is not a standard. And neither is SilverLight."
It is not a "standard" per se, but it IS a defacto standard.......
Phil Schiller's Ghost @ Nov 2nd 2009 7:30PM
Yes, I agree with that. Sadly, that kind of standard is what leads to the "walled garden" problems that actual web standards seek to avoid. If the 10.1 version of Flash Player truly is a cross-device/platform solution that also addresses the performance requirements for mobile devices AND Adobe publishes Flash as an open standard for consideration to be included in an HTML 5 (or 6) spec...
What am I talking about? This is the same company that claims PDF is good for open government.
michaelbragg1 @ Nov 2nd 2009 7:14PM
Zing!
GregShaw @ Nov 3rd 2009 7:39AM
Knowing Apple. They will probably release a new iphone next year with flash built in. Then they will say how innovative their phone is again!!
Jon Olsen @ Nov 3rd 2009 10:50AM
Hey, I'm with Adobe on this one, I wish Apple would help make it happen. I like flash, I miss flash on my phone, and I sometimes feel angry about it. However, the absence of flash did not keep me from buying or Absolutely Loving my phone. This does not make me a deluded fanboy, jerks. It's a choice I made with open eyes and for some reason my phone experience hasn't melted into a puddle yet. Huh. That said, come on now, let's get this thing done. I don't even remotely understand WHY they would restrict this. Sheesh.
Alex @ Nov 3rd 2009 12:36PM
I imagine if Adobe actually updated Flash so it worked on Apple computers without raping the CPU, then they might think about letting it on their phone.
Kon @ Nov 4th 2009 5:38AM
Totaly agree with you !!