http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/ Engadget Mobile Comments for AT&T claims completely open network, too -- "the most open," even! http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
I can assure everyone here, when AT&T says they're open (when compared to Verizon) they're just about right....

Verizon = Cripple OBEX/FTP file transfer on 95% of their handsets.
AT&T = 99% of the time every profile the manufacturer can throw on there from Motorola, Nokia, Sony Ericsson and LG.

And let's not get started on the whole J2ME and Brew thing...

Oh, Verizon's not the only guilty party. Sprint and the MVNO's are just as bad!

Alltel is the only CDMA carrier that does the least damage to their phone's firmware's.]]>Dec 6th 2007 3:39AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 9:31AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 7:00AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
Or, how about having an "unlimited" data plan, only to find out you have to pony up 15 more bucks a month so you can get email on your Blackberry? I guess "unlimited" just means different things on an "open" network, huh?]]>Dec 6th 2007 8:21AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 11:36AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
If putting in a SIM card and click next when the "Configuration Setup" program starts is too complicated for you, then I'm not suprised you fell for it, when they said you'd need a 2 yr contract. It's salesperson talk, you need a 1yr or 2yr contract for all AT&T features. Not on the phone, but features like upgrading your phone (what Verizon calls New Every 2-NE2)]]>Dec 6th 2007 11:40AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/I see why you call yourself Shortfuse. It had nothing to do with me sticking a stupid SIM card into the phone. While their guy was making sure that their network would recommend my phone, it would not, since the HTC TyTN_II was not yet recognized on their network. Nothing to do with SIM. Their drone has to put a phone type into the system, *even though it should not make any difference*, before it will allow that phone to work on their "open" data network. I finally got him to just plug in another phone model, and I was on my way. ]]>Dec 6th 2007 11:55AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/they were doing something wrong then because all the system should ask for is the imei and it figures out the make/model based on that or just says "unknown device" and moves on. if it didnt like the imei for some reason, all 9's will work as an override.
]]>Dec 10th 2007 6:46PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
Cingular phone rep even told me beforehand that any 3G device will "just work" by moving the SIM (pretend it's a 8525 when talking to them). They only want to know about it so they can limit you to the pricier data plans. If you got locked into a 2 year contract, you're even more gullible.

Stop trolling.]]>Dec 6th 2007 5:29PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 6:00PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
That doesn't diminish the "openness" of their network, your experience is just testament to unscrupulous, untrained sales officials and a customer that doesn't know how demand what he's due.]]>Dec 6th 2007 6:28PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 5:14PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
"uh no, that phone has integrated GPS, it...um... will cause inteference with our network. yeah, that's it. 'interference'. here's a list of verizon approved devices with gps"
"but they all require VZNavigator!"
"but they're all verizon approved"]]>Dec 6th 2007 11:34AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 1:15PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/but with verizon, i'd have to get the device tested in a virtual environment and then supply one to them and wait for approval. that doesn't include how much they might charge me.
my point, that's not open at all. at least not to what i've worked with on GSM devices.

so what's your homebrew experience, troll?
]]>Dec 6th 2007 2:28PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 5:44PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 6:20PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/ Yes, you can take your AT&T SIM, put it in an unlocked device, and run
> it on their network without much hassle -- but that doesn't make AT&T
> any more "open" than the final-say testing facility Verizon intends to
> use in "openly" making approvals (and disapprovals) of devices and
> software.

Umm.... yes it does? Like, kinda be definition, since no vendor involvement or knowledge is involved in the former case?]]>Dec 6th 2007 1:43PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 10th 2007 6:46PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 6th 2007 11:29PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/
xDDDDD. How did I miss that comment before? LOL]]>Dec 9th 2007 10:01PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 7th 2007 3:30AMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Dec 7th 2007 12:49PMhttp://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/http://engmobdev.weblogsinc.com/2007/12/06/atandt-claims-completely-open-network-too-the-most-open-eve/Jan 7th 2008 10:57PM